etanool
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ivomets
- Vanasaabikala
- Postitusi: 7617
- Liitunud: N Apr 22, 2004 18:39
- Asukoht: Suvepealinn
- Auto: Saab 96 , Saaburu, Subaru
ega seal midagi erilist ei juhtu: lihtsalt puterdab ja ei tööta kenasti, kuna dyysid erinevad.
bensiin tahab väiksema läbimõõduga dyyse, muud ei midagi
bensiin tahab väiksema läbimõõduga dyyse, muud ei midagi
KUI AUTO ON KATGI TOO OMA AUTO IVOMETSA SOJA GARAZI 
Keevitan, värvin, keeran mutreid kinni ja lahti.
Keevitan, värvin, keeran mutreid kinni ja lahti.-
qdwin
- Jaan Tatikas
- Postitusi: 2336
- Liitunud: T Sept 28, 2004 19:42
- Asukoht: Tallinn ja Elva
- Auto: 9-5 Aero
Kui naine või Hemi on lahked siis Klassik ja tonnine või veel mõni Aero
Ka uus 9-5 on mingis versioonis võimeline E85-te jooma!
OT: Ja venelastel oli kunagi veoka mootor mis töötas nii bensiini kui disla peal!!!
OT: Ja venelastel oli kunagi veoka mootor mis töötas nii bensiini kui disla peal!!!
Siiski tundub, et Saabil on tegemist ikkagi kahe erineva masinaga, lihtsalt üks on suuteline e85-t ja teine bensiini. Hübriidid alles tulekul.
Aga ikkagi, kuidas on Volvo selle kahekütuselise probleemi lahendanud?
Uudis siis lehelt: "Green Car Congress".
Saab Flex-Fuel BioPower Hot Seller in Sweden
December 23, 2005
Saabbiopower
Saab BioPower
Four months after its launch in Sweden, the Saab 9-5 BioPower—a flexible-fuel vehicle capable of running on ethanol blends of up to 85% (E85)—has already outsold its full-year 2006 sales target. Saab Sweden expects to take more than 5,500 orders for the BioPower by year end—equivalent to next year’s sales forecast—and now to sell more than 9,000 units of the car in the country next year.
The 5,500 BioPower cars include variants for both model year 2005 and 2006 (a major redesigned version introduced in October).
The BioPower’s 2.0-liter turbo engine delivers 180 hp (134 kW) of power and 280 Nm of torque (206 lb-ft) running on E85—a 30hp (22kW) lift in maximum power and 40 Nm more torque than its gasoline-powered equivalent. While fuel economy in city and mixed driving conditions is unlikely to show an improvement, Saab says, testing indicates that the engine will deliver 15% better fuel economy at cruising speeds because of improved combustion.
Key to the engine’s capabilities is the enhanced Trionic 8 engine management system that recalibrates and programs to accommodate the different timing characteristics and the fuel/air mixture requirements of ethanol.
The Saab-developed Trionic software is specifically geared to the needs of turbocharged engines and controls ignition timing, fuel injection, turbo boost pressure, air mass measurement and the throttle setting. The standard Trionic 8 system now also incorporates engine start-up and temperature control, as well as further developments for improving torque management and throttle response.
...next year’s forecast is now about 9,000 cars, which we have increased to reflect the growing awareness among our customers of the issues surrounding CO2 emissions and global warming. Our 9-5 BioPower model has the potential to reduce CO2 emissions by as much as 80 per cent, without compromising safety, performance or comfort.
—Bengt Nilemo, Managing Director, Saab Sweden
At the North American International Auto Show in January, Saab will introduce a 2.3-liter concept version turbocharged Saab 9-5 Aero BioPower Concept that delivers almost 20% more maximum power—310 hp (231 kW) vs. 260 hp (194 kW)—and 25% more torque—441 Nm vs. 350 Nm—than its gasoline counterpart. (Earlier post.)
Saab is also hinting at an upcoming hybrid prototype.
Aga ikkagi, kuidas on Volvo selle kahekütuselise probleemi lahendanud?
Uudis siis lehelt: "Green Car Congress".
Saab Flex-Fuel BioPower Hot Seller in Sweden
December 23, 2005
Saabbiopower
Saab BioPower
Four months after its launch in Sweden, the Saab 9-5 BioPower—a flexible-fuel vehicle capable of running on ethanol blends of up to 85% (E85)—has already outsold its full-year 2006 sales target. Saab Sweden expects to take more than 5,500 orders for the BioPower by year end—equivalent to next year’s sales forecast—and now to sell more than 9,000 units of the car in the country next year.
The 5,500 BioPower cars include variants for both model year 2005 and 2006 (a major redesigned version introduced in October).
The BioPower’s 2.0-liter turbo engine delivers 180 hp (134 kW) of power and 280 Nm of torque (206 lb-ft) running on E85—a 30hp (22kW) lift in maximum power and 40 Nm more torque than its gasoline-powered equivalent. While fuel economy in city and mixed driving conditions is unlikely to show an improvement, Saab says, testing indicates that the engine will deliver 15% better fuel economy at cruising speeds because of improved combustion.
Key to the engine’s capabilities is the enhanced Trionic 8 engine management system that recalibrates and programs to accommodate the different timing characteristics and the fuel/air mixture requirements of ethanol.
The Saab-developed Trionic software is specifically geared to the needs of turbocharged engines and controls ignition timing, fuel injection, turbo boost pressure, air mass measurement and the throttle setting. The standard Trionic 8 system now also incorporates engine start-up and temperature control, as well as further developments for improving torque management and throttle response.
...next year’s forecast is now about 9,000 cars, which we have increased to reflect the growing awareness among our customers of the issues surrounding CO2 emissions and global warming. Our 9-5 BioPower model has the potential to reduce CO2 emissions by as much as 80 per cent, without compromising safety, performance or comfort.
—Bengt Nilemo, Managing Director, Saab Sweden
At the North American International Auto Show in January, Saab will introduce a 2.3-liter concept version turbocharged Saab 9-5 Aero BioPower Concept that delivers almost 20% more maximum power—310 hp (231 kW) vs. 260 hp (194 kW)—and 25% more torque—441 Nm vs. 350 Nm—than its gasoline counterpart. (Earlier post.)
Saab is also hinting at an upcoming hybrid prototype.
ISe küsin ja vastan siis ka: Korrosioonikindlamast materjalist mootori ja sisselaskeosad + süütepunkti arvutamine vastavalt etanoolisisaldusele (kuni 85%) kütuses.
Uudis siis lehelt: "Green Car Congress".
Volvo Begins Producing Flex Fuel Cars
30 November 2005
Volvoffv
An S40 FlexiFuel car.
Volvo has begun the production of flexible fuel cars capable of running on gasoline or any blend of ethanol of up to 85% (E85). The FlexiFuel engine—the 125 hp (92 kW) 1.8F—is available on the S40 and V50 models.
FlexiFuel cars will initially only be offered on the Swedish market where the infrastructure for E85 is good (there are more than 280 fuel stations for E85 from Skåne in the south to Övertorneå in the north) and there is considerable customer interest.
Volvo FlexiFuel Cars
S40 V50
* Using gasoline. Fuel consumption when driving on E85 is about 40% higher.
Engine 1.8 liter
Power 92 kW (125 hp)
Max. Torque 165 Nm
0–100 km/h 10.9 sec 11.0 sec
Top speed 200 km/h (124 mph)
Fuel cons.* 7.4 l/100km 7.5 l/100km
Fuel economy* 31.8 mpg US 31.3 mpg US
CO2 (gasoline) 177 g/km 179 g/km
The Volvo S40 and V50 FlexiFuel are based on a four-cylinder, normally aspirated 1.8-liter engine. The fuel hoses, valves, seals and bushings have all been strengthened to withstand ethanol’s greater corrosiveness.
Am enhanced engine management system calculates the fuel blend currently in the tank and automatically adjusts the new injection system and timing to suit.
In order to optimize the cold-starting properties, an integrated engine heater is fitted as standard.
Volvo has set a flex fuel sales goal of 6,000 units for 2006.
Uudis siis lehelt: "Green Car Congress".
Volvo Begins Producing Flex Fuel Cars
30 November 2005
Volvoffv
An S40 FlexiFuel car.
Volvo has begun the production of flexible fuel cars capable of running on gasoline or any blend of ethanol of up to 85% (E85). The FlexiFuel engine—the 125 hp (92 kW) 1.8F—is available on the S40 and V50 models.
FlexiFuel cars will initially only be offered on the Swedish market where the infrastructure for E85 is good (there are more than 280 fuel stations for E85 from Skåne in the south to Övertorneå in the north) and there is considerable customer interest.
Volvo FlexiFuel Cars
S40 V50
* Using gasoline. Fuel consumption when driving on E85 is about 40% higher.
Engine 1.8 liter
Power 92 kW (125 hp)
Max. Torque 165 Nm
0–100 km/h 10.9 sec 11.0 sec
Top speed 200 km/h (124 mph)
Fuel cons.* 7.4 l/100km 7.5 l/100km
Fuel economy* 31.8 mpg US 31.3 mpg US
CO2 (gasoline) 177 g/km 179 g/km
The Volvo S40 and V50 FlexiFuel are based on a four-cylinder, normally aspirated 1.8-liter engine. The fuel hoses, valves, seals and bushings have all been strengthened to withstand ethanol’s greater corrosiveness.
Am enhanced engine management system calculates the fuel blend currently in the tank and automatically adjusts the new injection system and timing to suit.
In order to optimize the cold-starting properties, an integrated engine heater is fitted as standard.
Volvo has set a flex fuel sales goal of 6,000 units for 2006.
Rootsis on Etanoolil põhinev kütus päris kõva tegija. Nimekiri tanklatest, mis müüvad E85 kütust on päris pikk. Igas väiksemas linnakeses on tankla.
E85 kütus võimaldab küll kõvemat turborõhku, võimsust ja väändemomenti, tänu kõrgemale oktaanarvule, kuid samas on sellega ka piisavalt jamasid.
Näiteks alla -5 pakase puhul on hädavajalik juba kasutada mootorisoojendust. Seega ka näiteks see 9-5 BioPoweril on standardvarustuses mootorisoojendus.
Kui mootorisoojendust kasutada ei saa, siis tuleb suurendada bensiiniosakaalu kütuses, vastasel juhul auto lihtsalt ei käivitu.
Kui nüüd lugeda siit:
http://www.miljofordon.se/latta/main.asp?iMenuID=535&iParentMenuID=407
Siis on seal kirjas, et ei soovitata ise autot hakata ümber ehitama E85 jaoks, sest see ei pruugi anda soovitud tulemust.
Võid arvata küll, et teed loodusele head, kuid tegelikult kui asja ei tunne, siis võib omatehtud E85 auto anda välja hoopis tervisele mürgisemaid gaase.
Puhta etanooli peal võivad ka autod sõita, kuid selle määrdeomadused on suht viletsad. Samas kui teha isetegevust ja segada 96%-list piiritust (näiteks Royal) kokku bensiiniga, siis sellest ei tule ka midagi head, kuna tavapiiritus sisaldab vett ja see hakkab bensiinipaagis kihistuma ja varsti ongi kogu sissepritse õhtal.
Tuttava keemiku väitel võib auto vabalt toimida tavapiiritusega, kuid siis ei tohi see sisaldada bensiini. Sellisel moel ei teki ka kihistumist, kuid kuna see sisaldab vett, siis vaja paremat korrosioonikindlust, filtreid jne.
Aga kokkuvõttes Etanool võib olla huvitav kütus lähitulevikus, sest seda annab toota pea igasugusest orgaanilisest ainest, mis suhkrut sisaldab.
E85 kütus võimaldab küll kõvemat turborõhku, võimsust ja väändemomenti, tänu kõrgemale oktaanarvule, kuid samas on sellega ka piisavalt jamasid.
Näiteks alla -5 pakase puhul on hädavajalik juba kasutada mootorisoojendust. Seega ka näiteks see 9-5 BioPoweril on standardvarustuses mootorisoojendus.
Kui mootorisoojendust kasutada ei saa, siis tuleb suurendada bensiiniosakaalu kütuses, vastasel juhul auto lihtsalt ei käivitu.
Kui nüüd lugeda siit:
http://www.miljofordon.se/latta/main.asp?iMenuID=535&iParentMenuID=407
Siis on seal kirjas, et ei soovitata ise autot hakata ümber ehitama E85 jaoks, sest see ei pruugi anda soovitud tulemust.
Võid arvata küll, et teed loodusele head, kuid tegelikult kui asja ei tunne, siis võib omatehtud E85 auto anda välja hoopis tervisele mürgisemaid gaase.
Puhta etanooli peal võivad ka autod sõita, kuid selle määrdeomadused on suht viletsad. Samas kui teha isetegevust ja segada 96%-list piiritust (näiteks Royal) kokku bensiiniga, siis sellest ei tule ka midagi head, kuna tavapiiritus sisaldab vett ja see hakkab bensiinipaagis kihistuma ja varsti ongi kogu sissepritse õhtal.
Tuttava keemiku väitel võib auto vabalt toimida tavapiiritusega, kuid siis ei tohi see sisaldada bensiini. Sellisel moel ei teki ka kihistumist, kuid kuna see sisaldab vett, siis vaja paremat korrosioonikindlust, filtreid jne.
Aga kokkuvõttes Etanool võib olla huvitav kütus lähitulevikus, sest seda annab toota pea igasugusest orgaanilisest ainest, mis suhkrut sisaldab.
romza
-
Cyber
- Täiesti Mõttetu Mölaööbik
- Postitusi: 14292
- Liitunud: K Mär 03, 2004 9:25
- Asukoht: Tallinn
- Auto: 9000 '96, V70 '03
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Kuna juba sai mainitud, et kasutustingimusi peab valima, siis igasugu perfoormans autode juures kasutatakse antud vedelikku Rootsi poolel üsna jõudsalt. Talvel nende autodega nagunii ei sõida ja suvelgi ainult nädalavahetusel. Aga lõbu on laialt.
[Kaarel]: Ka pealtnäha süütu vikatiga memm kuskil tee ääres võib olla Aero omanik...
